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Bernadette's avatar

Catholics don't actually deem the Pope himself infallible. "Infallibility" is only in regards to moral or doctrinal teaching, (not Church discipline) when done in union with all the other bishops of the world, and only "officially" when the Pope speaks "Ex Cathedra" : from the Chair of Peter. It's usually only done when there has been doctrinal dispute that has been hashed out in a Council or there has been a widely accepted doctrine for many, many years that just gets a formal stamp on it.

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…Sigh...

I agree with Bernadette, above. The Pope speaking infallibly only very rarely occurs, and has only been invoked twice, once in 1854 and once in 1950. These were both about Mary, and I’m sure Andrew would be shaking his head again. It’s not like you could go to the pontiff and ask what the winning lottery numbers are, or whether Trump would win the next election.

I will put in a word here for the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the church, which relies on Scripture and the Tradition of the church. It is an ongoing dialog, not a “one and done’ proclamation engine. Older church teachings have been review or changed, and will continue to do so. This is an ongoing conversation, not a continuous commandment engine. Each believer is also obliged to educate himself and act according to rightly formed conscience, so if in good faith and careful contemplation, you believe a teaching to be incorrect, you must follow your conscience, if rightly formed. This does not mean you believe it is OK to cheat on your taxes, etc.

I have a friend who stated that after he read St. Paul stating that one should put away childish things he stopped running for recreation. Pretty sure that is not what Paul meant here. Thus the dangers of self-interpretation of reading of Scripture. This does not prevent us from reading and digesting Scripture, but it must be done carefully and with guidance. Jordan Peterson’s excellent series on Exodus was a superb example.

I don’t think Andrew will ever change his slams of the RCC regarding infallibility and the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary, for those non-RCC readers out there) but at least we can raise what precisely it is and more importantly what it is not.

Aside from that one phrase, excellent articles.

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