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Jacob Gray's avatar

Not to be dramatic, and I know how Andrew feels about Tolkien, but this quote comes to mind, "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them."

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Tyler James Gallaway's avatar

What a great question: "If it was the sacrifice of Christ that put an end to them, then maybe the barbaric need for his death wasn’t God’s but ours?"

I think the answer to this question is affirmative. God does not actually need anything from us; which means, critically, that He doesn't need His Son's death in order to forgive our sins. We need His death in order for our sins to be forgiven. This idea presents the atonement in a completely different light.

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