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Zzzmdf's avatar

Low blow, Klavan. Fully agree that the molestation scandal terribly harmed the RCC, and that the handling of the crimes was awful, with thousands of lives harmed or ruined for those children. Turns out that the numbers of molesters in the population of priests closely mirrors that of the general population. It is not unique to celibacy and certainly not unique to the religion which teaches transubstantiation.

This statement is also a bit of a non sequitur as well. A friend and I were discussing this issue years ago and was concerned that the scandal of child sexual abuse would harm the teaching authority of the church. That authority the RCC believes is divinely ordained, but the teaching weight given by the public would clearly be harmed. So whether what happens in the consecration is Transubstantiation, consubstantiation or merely a memorial, the status of evil humans being involved with the institutions that profess these beliefs is not material. There is much rot in the RCC as with any human endeavor, but that is as old as mankind. The ill acts of those who profess belief does not negate those beliefs, but those who act ill.

I am not arguing that other people are less inclined to listen to a church that does not have its own house in order. I’ve watched this now for decades in my diocese, painful as it has been, and had as a patient one who caused such harm, and got to know him to some degree. His remorse was painful to watch, and he told me once that what he had done was unforgivable by God. Over the course of a discussion, he came to understand that nothing is impossible for God, even that forgiveness, although a terrible atonement would await. In proclaiming his unforgivable state, in a way he was putting his judgement over God’s.

I believe in transubstantiation no less despite the sins and crimes of 2000+years of humanity trying its hardest to sully the word of God. I’m just trying my hardest to not lead anyone astray by any actions of mine, and yes, by not judging.

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Average joe's avatar

Well said , perhaps René should’ve painted a tobacco plant in the 1st place then he could’ve stuck that in his pipe & smoked it .

Then we wouldn’t be going around & around & around & did I mention around arguing “its a pipe” - “no it’s not” “oh yes it is”- “oh no it’s not” - like children shouting at widow Twankey in a Christmas pantomime . Which would then be inevitabley followed by the usual Kerfuffle - where punches will be thrown- then exhausted back to - “oh yes it is” - “oh no it isn’t. Which some wise-guy some where said “that’s the entirety of human history in a nutshell”.

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